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Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8 FLYING SAUCERS continued 171 And this object that was a plane—was not a’ plane. It was—oh, it was funny. It was coming around towards us. I looked up and down the road. And I thought: How dark it is. What if a bear was to come out? .. . I returned to the car; and said: Let’s go Betty. Ir’snothing but a plane: ‘And they're coming over this way. They're chang- ing course. Probably it’s a Piper Cub. pocror: A Piper Cub would only have one or two windows, wouldn’t it? You saw windows in this plane? BARNEY: This is what I'said, and this is what I saw when I returned to my car. A Piper Cub. . . And I drive, and Betty is still looking. And she said: Barney, this is not a plane. Itis still follow- ing us. And I stop and I look, and I see it is still out there. Off in a distance. So I search for a place to pull off the road. And I see a dirt road to the right of the main highway: And I think this is a good place where I can pull over. And if any cat comes, it won't strikeme. And I getout of the car, and Tam thinking: This is strange. He returns to the car. His tone re- flects the strangeness now. BARNEY: ’Cause it is still there. And Betty said =I think she said, Tam mad with her. I say to my- self: I believe Betty is trying to make me think this is a flying sauces. ... And I am wonderin, why doesn’t it go away. And I stop, and I Took again. And I see where it has gone up ahead of us on Cannon Mountain. And I think when I get past Old Man of the Mountains, it will be a good arta to look and see this thing. And Iam going to report it. pocror: Do you still think it was a Piper Cub? BARNEY: I am wondering why these pilots are military. And they shouldn't do that. They will make some person have an accident by flying around like that. And what if they dived at me. And the military should not do that. pocror: You are looking for a place where you can stop and observe this. And Betty has been constantly egging you on. BARNEY: I wane to wake up! This is the reaction of a subject who is about to experience a painful event, an event that be can't hice even in the trance. Dr. Simon is alerted at this point 10 the likelihood of a string emotional reaction. Doctor: You're not going to wake up. You're inadeep sleep. You are comfortable, relaxed. This is not going to trouble you. Go on. You can re- member everything now. BARNEY: It’s right over my right! God! What is it? [His voice begins to tremble.] And I try to maintain control, so Betty cannot tell I am scared. God, I'm scared! pocror: It’s all right. You can go right on, ex- perience it. Ie will not hurt you now. BARNEY: [Breaks into breathless sobbing, then screams.] I gotta get a weapon! He screams again. His sobs become uncontrollable. The doctor must decide whether t0 impose an amnesia and bring 54 Loox 10:4.66 him out of the trance or to keep him moving through the experience for the purposes of abreaction, the therapeutic discharge of feeling. pocTor: Gotosleep. Youcan forgetnow. You've forgotten. You're calm now. Relaxed. Deeply re- laxed. You do not have to make an outcry. But you can remember it now. Keep remembering. You feel you have to get a weapon. BARNEY: Yes. poctor: This is going to harm you, you felt: BARNEY: Yes. I open the trunk of my car. I get the tire wrench ... part of the jack. And I get back in the car. Again, bis panic is rising. Doctor: All right. Just keep reasonably calm: pARNEY: And I keep it by me. And then I get ‘out with the binoculars. And it is there. And I look. And I look. And itis just over the field. And Tthink, I chink: I'm not afraid. . . . I'll fight it off. I'm not afraid! ... And I walk across the road. There it is—up there! Ohhh, God! He again breaks into a scream. Doctor: It's there. You can see it. But it’s'not going to hurt you. BARNEY: Why doesn’t it go away—Look at it! There's a man there! Is—is—is he 2 captain? What is he? He—he looks at me! boctor: What does it look like.now? a BARNEY: It looks—like a—big—pancake. With windows—and rows of windows and lights. Not lights, just one huge light. Doctor: Rows of windows? Like a commercial plane? BARNEY: Rows of windows. They're mot like a commercial plane. Because they curve around the side of this—this pancake. I've got—I've got his can’t be true. This Ain't here. Ohhh, it’s still there. And I look—up and down the road. Can't somebody come? Can't somebody come and sell me this is not there? It can't be, but— The doctor feels that Barney may be dreaming this. He explores this point. pocror: You'd had no sleep that evening? BARNEY: I pinch my right arm. . .. After a brief exchange, the doctor is satisfied that Barney was awake. Doctor: You're clear now. Relaxed. BARNEY: It's still there. If I Jet my binocilars fall, and dangle fram my neck—and start over again, maybe it won't be there. But it is. Why? What do they want? One person looks friendly to me. And he's looking at me. .. over his right shoulder. And he’s smiling. But... but. ... Doctor: Could you see him clearly? BARNEY: Yes, I could. poctor: What was his face like? What did it make you think of? BARNEY: It was round. I think of—I think of— a redheaded Irishman. I don’t know why. I think I know why. Because Irish are usually hostile to Negroes. And when I see a friendly Irish person, Ireact to him by thinking: I will be friendly. And I think this one that is looking over his shoulder is friendly Doctor: You say, “looking over his shoulder.” Was he facing away from you? BARNEY: Yes. He was facing a wall... And there is an evil face on the—he looks like a, Ger- man Nazi. He's a Nazi. .. . He had a black scarf around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder. pocror: He had a black scarf around his neck? How could you see the figures so clearly at that distance? BARNEY: I was looking at them with binoculars. Doctor: Oh. Did they have faces like other people? You said one was like a redheaded Irish- man. BARNEY: His eyes were slanted. Oh—his eyes were slanted! But not like a Chinese—Oh! Oh! I feel like a rabbit. I feel like a rabbit. poctor: What do you mean by that? BARNEY: I was hunting for rabbits in Virginia. And this cure little bunny went into a bush that was not very big. And my cousin Marge was on one side of the bush, and I was on the other— with a hat. And the poor little bunny thought he was safe. And it tickled me, because he was just hiding behind a liede stalk, wwhich.meant security to him—when T pounced on him and threw my hat on him and captured the poor little bunny who thought he was safe. Funny, I thought of that—right out there on the field. I feel like a rabbit. poctor: What was Betty doing all this time? BARNEY: I can’t hear her. poctor: Did you make any outcry to her the way you did to me? You would remember if you did. BARNEY: I did not. I know this creature is telling me something. DocToR: Telling you something? How? How is he getting it to you? BARNEY: I can gee it in his face. No, his lips are not moving. And he's looking at me. And he’s just telling me: Don’t be afraid. I'm not a bunny. I'mgoing tobe... .I'mgoing tobesafe. Hedidn’t tell me I'was that bunny. pocror: Did you hear him tell you this? BARNEY: Oh, no. He didn’t say it. pocror: You felt he said it? BARNEY: T know. poctor: You know he said it? BARNEY: Yes. Just stay there, he said. It’s pound- ing in my head!! I gotta get away! I gotta get away from here! pocror: All right. All right. Calm down... . How can you be sure he was telling you this? BARNEY: His eyes! His eyes! I've never seen eyes like that before. Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8